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S&S Cycles
One of my favorite motorcycle photographers is Cicero deGuzman Jr of the oddly-named Godspeed 45/06—a quarterly collection of photographs documenting bike builders, their work, and their workspaces. While browsing through the images on the Godspeed website, I stumbled across this beauty.

The bike is owned by Pat McGowan of Northern N.J. “I was going to try and build a bike myself,” he says. “I started getting parts together and went to Bill Dodge of Bling’s Cycles to order a frame and other stuff of his I liked. But after talking with him, I decided I would be better off letting him build it.” While Pat scraped money together, he and Bill got to know each other. “It turned out that Bill was trying to renovate his house himself,” says Pat. “We then decided that a trade would work for both of us. So we did just that: I finished his house, and he built my bike.” In the end, Bill used only the motor that Pat supplied, a 97″ S&S. The transmission is a Baker PowerBox and the rear wheel is a Marchesini upgraded by Bill from a cheap billet import. According to Pat, “The rest is either from Bill’s parts line or things he had stashed away.” Check out more of Bill Dodge’s bikes here—and more lovely photography from Cicero deGuzman Jr here.

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  • Just silly. You can only follow the form doesn’t follow function thing so far and then you end up with something useless!!

  • KIK

    id change the tires for something more street friendly, otherwise its a beautiful bike, i had the pleasure of meeting MR dodge in daytona a few years back, hell of a nice guy

  • Ethan

    Chris: I love your website but you need to nuke the comment’s section. Just lock it. 90% of them are just ignorant bashing of every bike you post here. The people that work so hard to build these bikes don’t need to be subjected to anonymous blow-hards trashing all of their work every day.

    Keep up the great work.

  • w

    Dont be so ridiculous Ethan.. besides I believe the poll has already spoken.

  • RUDY

    Ethan, I disagree. Not everyone who builds a bike deserves a “participation” sticker and an auto approval “good job” response. Some things really are just stupid. And the builders/designers need to hear it – otherwise it’s just a bunch of bros jacking each other off. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should, in respect of truly beautiful design (yes, design DOES have rules, and can be quantified). Something created for controversy or pushing the limits can still be designed and executed well. De-constructed or purposeful contrast, or irony (hee hee, a brembo radial master cylinder with a electrical tape grip!) can be executed well. Although this bike really is funny.

  • Ethan

    What does a comment like

    “Jeff T said:
    Monday 22nd November, 2010 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Just silly. You can only follow the form doesn’t follow function thing so far and then you end up with something useless!!”

    contribute? It doesn’t even make sense. Perhaps the poster is not a native English speaker. Perhaps he’s just an idiot.

    Civil discussion would be great. Random people offering their arm-chair analysis adds nothing.

  • Jason

    Sorry Ethan, I disagree. The comments should be available for a constructive discussion of the feature. I have seen background or additional information on machines posted by owner/builders, etc. This is a good thing. Rudy, I disagree with you as well. Non-constructive bashing is useless. This bike isn’t in your garage, he didn’t build it for you or even himself, he built it for the customer who seems to be happy. Take what you like, discard what you don’t. Individuality is one of the reasons people build (or have built for them) custom bikes. That’s what it’s all about. I like to look here to see creativity and look at new ideas. I’m pretty sure most builders (myself included) don’t give a &*%$ about design rules.

  • RUDY

    Jason – Sorry you misunderstood. Whether you give a crap or not about design “rules” – what a rebel! – when you make a choice to put a part on, fab a bracket, paint, or whatever, you’re making a choice, subconscious or not. The choice has a lot of factors, but once they are all broken down, what works well or doesn’t did follow some guidelines. A pile of purely mismatched elements (note, mismatching can work, if executed well), just ends up as a pile of junk. Yeah, the builder gets off, all individual like and shit, which is fine, but that doesn’t make it good.
    Constructive opinion with back up is what I’m talking about. All builders/designers could use more of that.

  • el vencejo

    @ Ethan: of course designers/builders only need sycophants and yes men.

    ¿Why the sand tyre for a street bike?

  • Rudy makes a few good points actually. Yes, there are design rules. They are hard to explain.

    As a builder I want to hear from my friends and people looking at my finished priojects for the first time, what they DON’T like or what doesn’t make sense. I need positive stuff to keep my ego from collapsing as do most people, but I learn much more from the non-positive, constructive criticisms. If I disagree, or know the viewer doesn’t know jack from shine-ola, I say thanks and move on. A fresh set of eyes is always an asset regardless of whether it strokes your ego or not. If a builder can’t take the criticism, they have other problems besides building screwy bikes.

    I don’t know what to say about the hardtail, aluminum plate seat and then the installation of a super aggressive knobby (on a streetbike?#*!) and I would bet there are going to be 30 responses that say, “Pure Sex! It looks so cool! I’d ride this anywhere anytime.”

    The comment about the tape for a grip next to the high-end radial clutch master cylinder is perfect. What do you say to a builder who likes this combo? But jammin’ your foot into the pulley at the crank while riding would probably more of a concern on the road. I like the front end though. I know from scaring myself shitless on the street that riding with no front brakes severly limits speeds attainable.

  • Not my taste, but like the concept, but not the outcome. The frame looks too big, the tank too small, pity grips, the tube on the tank cap, the mix of rims (the rear is cool), Brembo brake system only at the rear, silver forks/black frame…

    I like the tires, the paint and some touches. Not sure about the seat.

    What’s about that Brembo lever?

    Anyway, and in reply to @Ethan, not every bike likes to everyone. And some likes to no one.

  • Patrick

    Of course its Stupid and Silly and Blah Blah Blah.. That was the plan. If I want function over form I’ll drive my car or sit in my Recliner. This is to go out and get silly with, have fun and enjoy what little free time I get. I will say every time I get off it I am stuck with a big stupid smile. My advise to you guys is stop taking everything so serious, go out and enjoy yourself a little. Cuz really who cares its only a Motorcycle.

  • Mingh

    at first i saw a bronze Mchog, but in the subtleties there’s a lot more to it. I like the colour scheme and detailing. I guess the belt and gear lever’s position will cost a few shoes at best, a few toes at worst. About the grips: on my bike i’m using old cotton griptape that they used on race bicycles. not a lot of dampening in that, but it sure looks better than the gaffer tape here. why not use the tape they put around the grip of tennis- and squash rackets, looks street and is pretty comfy too.

  • hotballs

    if you multiply clean visor happiness by 10 it equals fresh tyre happiness

  • @Patrick, “Cuz really who cares its only a Motorcycle.”

    Disagree. If you want “only” a motorcycle to have some fun, you don’t go for a full mod work like that, IMO. I maybe could understand it, if you would have built by yourself.

  • prichinello

    I just like that he used modern Brembo calipers and master cylinders. I like to see garage pounded steel admitting that modern tech has its qualities and putting it to good use. It’s the most tasteful thing about it in my opinion.

  • iRivas

    Bling’s Cycles makes some cool bikes. You should of put up an article of either the “Franken Knuckle” or the “S&S 50th 71 Brotherly Love”

  • KIK

    @ ethan , what happens when you go to the local bike hang out and someone has a negative comment about your ride? you leave? you fight? you have another beer and start a conversation? as a builder and mechanic i know that when you place your work on a public forum you are bound to have different opinions and feedback, its what you do with those that makes the difference. life is too short to take everyone serious..

  • Patrick

    Kumo I’m sorry you disagree but to me in my life at this point. Its just a Motorcycle. A Material thing. I love it I enjoy it and yes I ride it. But the fact is on my list of priorities it falls toward the middle of the list. You guys can love it or you can hate thats fine. But Im willing to bet I wont see to many like it and that was the goal all along.

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  • db

    On a hot day that tape would get pretty sticky and gross.

  • Ethan

    @KIK I am a builder too. It’s a hobby and not a job but I’ve done a bunch of bikes. Your example is exactly what I’m talking about. At a bike night (or a bunch of guys in the shop) no one walks up to you bike and says “That’s ugly and totally unrideable. It’s a waste of a good engine. Stupid choice of tires!.”

    Which seem to be the majority of the negative comments from people online.

    People have intelligent things to add, well reasoned questions and want to have a conversation about what you built. They don’t just anonymously hurl insults and then crawl off.

    Maybe I’m just in a bad mood today but I’m pretty sick of reading some “internet expert’s” opinion with nothing to back it up. It’s even worse when people can’t even form a sentence much less a coherent argument.

  • Gallager

    You are.

  • Bowds

    It kinda reminds me a little of wrenchmonkees harley ( but unlike that bike it seems a bit out proportion, unbalanced and not to practical. I think if you want to show your work you gotta be able to take some hits. There is nothing wrong with people being passionate with there comments. If they are total c*&ts people will see them as that and its on them… I don’t see any here.

  • Kerry

    It’s a nice bike . . . the kind you see on every page of the Jockey Journal everyday. That’s why this day’s post is kind of disappointing.

    And the non-stop nattering between you guys just brings the whole site down a notch or two and makes Chris’ job of managing this place harder.

    Shut up already.

  • Sure you’re entitled to your opinion and can blow wind all you like, but this is Patrick’s chopper. A CHOPPER. It isn’t comfortable or practical, and that doesn’t have to be justified. I’m pretty sure when Bill and Patrick look at this bike they both agree that it’s damn cool, and Patrick’s up there saying it’s fun for HIM to ride. That’s it. That’s the whole point of building a bike custom bike for a single customer. A little bit of sexy fun that Patrick earned, took, and enjoys.

  • Joel

    I’d love to ride this thing around in the middle of winter with those tires.

    You guys whine too much. Go pour yourself a glass of orange juice and relax.

  • felix

    If the customer is happy what is there to bash? It’s a unique bike that puts a smile on Patrick’s face! Luckily it seems like he doesn’t give a toss what you guys think!

    If you want a practical bike go buy a Deauville…

  • db

    Let’s face it, all choppers are horrible anyway lolololol

  • Bald Shaun

    I don’t agree that the comments section should be abandoned. It’s half the reason I visit this sight. I do think that comments should be limited to actually discussing the bike.

  • PeteP

    Leave the comments up! I love reading the reactions.

    Look. This is someone’s vision. I understand this. Why does everybody have to crap on it?

  • KIK

    i still don’t like the tires ….

  • Harry Farquhar

    It is an oxymoron to suggest that there are rules of design for custom bikes. Custom by definition indicates that there are no rules it’s what ever the designer wants. Regarding this bike I have to say that rear tire has worked very well on my XR 600 in the CA desert.

  • el vencejo

    OK, just to please Ethan: I really love the March back wheel and Brembo bits.

  • Mule

    Harry, what if one of your desert buddies showed up for a Sunday trail ride with his CRF450 and had fitted roadrace slicks. And when you told him he was a freaking idiot, he responded, “I think it’s cool! Pure sex. It’s a custom! I paid to have them put on and it’s for ME to ride, not you!”

    What do you say to that guy? “Cool! You want me to go ahead and call for an ambulance now, because it usually takes them 45 min to an hour to get out here anyway?”

  • Mule

    And that chrome Triumph would probably be perfect in the desert too. And I agree you couldn’t difinitively dispute that just by looking at a picture! :-)

  • Tinman

    Myself I like the look of the agressive rubber on this bike. Lets face it, this was not built to be a road racer, its a bar hopper… Back in the day I rode my Yami DT 360 Enduro back and forth to work often, never had a tire problem because I rode within my bikes capabilities.

  • jayallen

    I think the bike has style and attitude. If that’s what the owner wants, then what else matters? I see lots of bashers here, and on other blogs too. I wonder how many of them are sport bike riders that don’t get the whole cruiser thing anyway?

  • mudplug

    The neat little cover for the rear wheel adjusters made me grin. Tidy.
    I had a quick look on the Bling Cycles site and it features on a few of their bikes, so I guess it’s a feature on Bill Dodge’s frames.

    Simple things please simple minds… but it’s the smooth, neat details you find on custom choppers that really intrigue me, even though I personally wouldn’t want to own / ride one.

  • ac

    Are TKC80s really a good choice of tire for a R1200GS?
    And is an R1200GS really a dual sport bike?
    And putting knobbies on it makes it a dirt bike?

    This bike isn’t about performance it’s about curb appeal.
    so the tires are just fine, and look really cool, so who cares how they work? I mean the bike is rigid, raked and has no front brake.

    And Mule really, if some dude stuck slicks on a dirt bike and headed out to the desert…not a really great comparison.
    Personally I think gold hubs, polished exhausts and fancy stickers on a dirt bike are just as odd as knobbies on any road bike.

    customs opperate in a field all their own just about everything else relies on function.

  • Helge

    Yawwwwwnnnn, this looks like every other bike coming out of that shop, just different paint.

  • Harry Farquhar

    Mule you are correct that would be one dangerous custom and in my opinion a good analogy to this bike of a custom design gone dangerously wrong. At least that rear knobby is DOT approved for road use.

  • Lew

    Why all this hot air about people who aren’t designers shouldn’t have an opinion Ethan? I’m a rider and only maintain my bikes. This bike with its seat tire and grips make it uncomfortable to ride. The belt makes and no front brake makes it dangerous. It ain’t for riding clearly. It’s for looking at.

    To me motorcycles are a tool to enable you to get out and ride, and sure they can be pretty too, but this fails as a real motorcycle. Maybe it should be left in a glass box and parked in the entrance foyer of a restaurant or something.

  • joe momma

    ….just some seasoning on the opines… first thought was hard tail with knobbie will founder on beach gravel or soft ground…..i looked further to the site and realized these guys must be ice racers or wannabees…..the knucks and a shovel all need only the screws added…..??…this can’t be by accident

  • Throw a couple springs on the back of that seat and a front brake and I’d be on it taking a ride. However, that is coming from a hardcore bobber guy too. I like the knobby tires. I can only imagine what that does to your back after an hour on it :)

  • joe momma

    …..from the office of redundency office……”hardcore bobber guy”

  • Mule

    Please, please, please? Somebody explain to me how knobbies on a chopper equats to cool? I’m all ears.

    Harry…all right now!!! We’re in agreement! Yahoo.

    AC, it’s perfect comparison actually. Fitting tires with the least amount of grip possible for the intended riding application in an effort to get a look or jump into a pre-puberty fad thats staggeringly popular at the foodcourt in the local Mall.

    Next thing guys will be putting sand paddles on their Gold Wings. Makes about as much sense. Trying to copy an absolutely senseless fad in an effort to look cool is about as “Un-cool” or lame as a guy can get, regardless of which coast or design Mecca they think they live in. To me, funtion has it’s own charm and trumps cool any day of the week. Does Jesse James or the OCC clowns or Paul Yaffe or Arlen Ness put knobbies on the ir bikes?

  • KIK

    Mule took the words right out of my mind,.well put.

  • vernon marsh

    Nice work but I don’t get the tires. Not enough clearance for off-road.

  • I grew up on dirt bikes and had to drive them on the road every time I wanted to get to the trials. I never once had a back end kick out on me and I’ve driven on blacktop, gravel and chip& seal roads with bikes that weight half as much ad this bike does. I highly doubt that this bike suffers from traction issues because they used a knobby tire instead of one with a few grooves cut into it.

    I don’t think I would want to lean this bike into a corner until I scraped the pegs on the ground but it isn’t slipping around alot on the road. In-fact, I’d venture to say this thing does better on wet roads than any modern day street tire does.

    @joe momma, not really sure what is redundant about being a fan of bobbers?

  • joe momma

    ….dearest zyon….i merely meant the phrase “bobber fan” with “hardcore”….together is redundant….don’t get me wrong….i have several on the property… ice racer built like speedway setup….HD 45” has plunger seat but proves to be “hardcore” for a fella nearing 60 years….i’m not sure to blame the hardtail, actually, but the posture the seat causes…..wla seat tree is much improvement…..the racer is 500 honda….with the excitement it provides i usually don’t even notice pee pee pants….my old sportster the darn rear shocks are so unforgiving it may as well be hardtail….hardcore for a guy with kidneys and a sore back…and while i’m on it…..for years i made fun of spurtbikes riding “like a monkey phucqueing a football”…..turns ooooot that hips flexed up and knees high is excellent posture (for me anywhooooo)…..getting on my buell can test my “flexibility”…..if i can get my leg that high…..

  • joe momma

    …..zyon…..sorry i fell for semantics… the younger crowd “bobber” means short fenders…….being old school, after WWII(and even before then) there weren’t really custom parts, like we know it anyway…..the old old guys chopped the fenders and other accesories to lose weight… those original days most bikes were still hardtails…… me a “bobber” is, generally speaking, a hardtail bike with fenders shortened……sorry i didn’t catch your drift immediately…..nowadays a hard core bobber could be many thangs… my old guy brain it computes as “lightened hardtail”… solly

  • My current bobber is a loose interpretation of the “rule” but it is a rigid solo seat, skinny tire, springer with an open primary. I’m sure it has a little too much chrome for the old-schoolers but I find it’s a good mix of classic and modern. I’m currently working on a true “bobbed” bike. I’ve always been a fan of everything bobbed and chopped. I grew up around the Harley sleds and just never got comfortable on one. Here is a hot of my current bobber

  • rocky0

    some of the comments that keep referring to practicality or form vs. funtion are probably the same guys who go to the movie theater and cant enjoy a movie because its not reality.custom bikes are for visual entertainment and a lot of people seem to be missing this point.if you want comfort and utility just ride your stock touring bike,or better yet, just drive your car.

  • rockyo,
    I think you’re way off in your over-simplification of the trends. Motorcycles were born out of function over 100 years ago. The fact that there are people that can’t ride very well, a factor that sets motorcycle operation far from simple auto operation on a public road, and during the 60’s social revelution some guys got really bored and started building wierd shit out of standard motorcycles doesn’t make the “form” over function legitimate in any way shape or “form”. If the weirder, more useless, more contorted the required riding position, the less control a rider has, the more stretched, polished, lowered, chromed and or outlandish a machine becomes, the cooler it gets, how does that relate to motorcycling as a sport or activity? AND if someone questions the logic, why does that mean they might as well be driving a Goldwing or a car? That’s a huge leap there my friend!

    Everyone has their own philosophy on bikes and building them and as a builder I have my own. That would be, make them simple, but technically and mechanically sound, nice to look at and by all means ridable!!! Call me old fashioned.

    Take the all chrome customs back to the 60’s and leave them in “Chopper-ville”

  • rocky0

    nothing is ever black and white, it is just different shades of builders know this.factory engineers take function and budget for production into consideration. custom builders dont have the same parameters,it is what the customer wants that is the bottom line. bill dodge spent several years working as a builder at west coast choppers, so he has probably seen some high budgets that allow a lot of artistic leeway. if you cant match production numbers ,you have to sell bikes that are unique/cool.bill dodge certainly has an eye for coolness, the fact that he still does this professionally and not just a hobby proves this.other builders would be served well by showing a little humility,rather than thinking they are on top of the entire scene and their way is the only way.remember my bike,my way, doesnt apply to anyone else (hint,hint).

  • Mule

    That’s why I said, “Everyone has their own philosophy and I have my own.” Hint, hint.

  • rocky0

    @mule, not to single you out,but of the past 14 bikes posted,the ones you happened to comment about you seem to be very critical of their builds.for a guy who has his own philosphy,you sure aren’t shy about putting down someone elses.that why I made the “humility” statement.I get it, your a builder,and your opinion still holds about as much as mine,zero! a little less abrasiveness towards someone elses build(time and devotion) would go along way.but, you know what they say about opinions,and that is mine.

  • mule

    As far as being a builder goes, my opinion is different than yours because I live it every day. While you’re working, out riding, on the computer or shovelling snow or whatever it is you spend your time doing, I’m in the shop drawing lines, cutting metal, drilling holes, solving design problems, fixing screw-ups, sourcing parts, building motors and using up every molecule of brainspace available and then some. I wake up in the middle of the night like I just kicked in the door of a design review with ideas about how I’m going to make two parts fit together, a revelation of a part from another model or brand that may just work on another bike or how I’m going to get 13-16 bikes done on schedule. There are 10 times more ways to do something wrong than right and in a lot of cases, I’ve tasted every single one. I know how long it takes to do every aspect of a build and like most builders here, there’s no Pro-E or 3D CAD programs in my shop to figure out every single bracket I have to make.

    Taking a bike and chroming the entire thing or polishing every piece of a mostly stock bike takes the least amount of skill required. Every builder knows this. It’ll blow the minds of the kids down at the donut shop but they’re pretty easy to impress anyway. The builder of this bike may or may not care what anyone thinks. If as I said earlier everyone kisses his ass,he’ll learn very little. If he gets lots of positive comments about certain design features, he’ll use them again and that makes good sense. If someone points out something perhaps he hadn’t thought of, that’s a gift and if he disagrees, he can just S-can that comment. No sweat. I’m not big on criticizing others work because I know the amount of effort it takes…..or does NOT take. The Yamaha with the dented Honda tank. Sorry, no dice. That would never fly in the design world. That’s a very tiny niche clientele to be sure.

    The bike featured here exhibits beautiful workmanship, some excellent paint and component selection (except the grips) and nice design solutions. Great job. However, no front brake with a front knobbie on the street, backed up by a knobbie on the rear? That’s a huge red flag in my book. And it was built to go out and ride for a guy that wants to get out on the road. If that opinion makes me “Abrassive”, then I’m guilty as charged. The front brake provides 90% of the braking power on the street. What does that leave you with on a BigTwin powered bike that’s lighter than a production bike?

    My bike has no front brake, but I don’t use the rear either. It’s for going sideways around a dirttrack.

    Tell you what. Zip around town on a no front brake bike and tell me how it works out for you. When you get out of the hospital and you’re all healed up, report back. But then I’ve had a car suddenly turn left in front of me(1969) with no front brake to grab. Only took some plates, a bone graft, couple weeks in the hospital and a few surguries to straighten me out. The difference is< I learned something from it.

    That's my opinion which as you say is worth zero? Yes, I guess everyone has one.

  • KIK

    BRAVO FOR MULE ! for explaining the difference between people that work ,live and breathe motorcycles and those who just ride them…

  • rocky0

    I am not going to lay out a resume as if it gives any thing I say some kind if edification.but i will quote something from the born loser blog that should strike a chord with everyone who loves motorcycles:”I dont care if you bought it or built it…if you were born with a silver spoon or live in a trailer park…if you got your bike yesterday or 20 years ago…who you know or what you think you know….why waste your time worrying about what others are doing.I am doing what I want to do…you should too.”

  • KIK

    not implying that anyone is better , just that there is a difference, and thank god for differences

  • rocky0

    @kik you nailed it! thank god for differences,my whole point all along.I love motorcycling. the good the bad and the ugly.makes for some good debate and i never question someones commitment because it is all subjective.we all enjoy motorcycles or we wouldn’t even be commenting.that alone makes it a common bond.

  • KIK

    @ rokio you have a very valid point and of course i respect it,, but ill try to make the point of why some of us are more critical and opinionated, say i have never worked on a bike and i go and build me something that i think is awesome, is mine and all, but i did something wrong or overlooked something , would i want someone to tell me? of course !! you see a motorcycle has 2 wheels that run on a straight line ,2. anything upsets those 2 wheels and you are gonna be in a lot of pain,.when i was 19 i washed my bike and thought that tire shine would make my seat and tires look new, i really wish someone would have called me an idiot then and there .. when i was digging those little pebbles out of my shoulders and hands , or when i broke my clavicle for running no front brake,i realized how stupid i was. and trust me when i say i would not have minded the “opinion”

  • rocky0

    @kik,bill dodge has many years of bike building under his belt. I dont know him personally but have a friend who worked with him at west coast choppers.bill dodge would not purposely put someone on a death trap.the bike may be a little harder to ride or stop ,but if we wanted complete safety we wouldnt be riding bikes in the first place.we frequently have customers come in where i work that have unsafe ideas they want to do to their bikes they aren’t done where i work because of liability and bad practice.that doesnt mean someone else wont do it for them.I’m only making an assumption but bill dodge probably wouldnt be in business as long as he has been if his customers are all riding death traps.pointing out asthetics on a bike (Knobby tires that are probably dual sport for street and off road,front tire looks like a pirelli scorpion) and saying they are non-functioning on the street shows lack of experience at best,or ignorance and bias at worst.The front tire on his bike actually works well on the street(personal experience)not conjecture.we all go through learning cycles that we hopefully survive when it comes to father taught me the best he could about bikes to minimize the hazards,and I am trying to do the same for my son and point being,I never want to come off sounding like a motorcycle elitist.some of the harsh criticisms come off sounding like the person being critical is done paying his dues.I’m sorry to say paying your dues is never over,in motorcycling,or life in general.elitist attitudes cause dissension even though the poster thinks they are helpful.

  • mule

    I’ll be the first to admit that no front brake looks clean as hell. Looks! But saying it’s OK to ride on the street because motorcycles are unsafe anyway???!! Yes, your opinion is worth zero. We agree on that.

    Good luck with your rider training!

  • rocky0

    @mule, and likewise with yours!!

  • KIK

    make a design mistake on a motorcycle and most likely it will hurt or cost you money..

  • Scott Brough

    I wonder how this thing would do at the sand dunes? Maybe the builder could remove the rear fender and add a paddle tire. That would be seriously cool!!!